With regard to the Hellcat, only the Royal Navy actually flew it in combat against Luftwaffe fighters. It brings all the firepower to the party, two average MG FF/M in the wings and two excellent MG151 located in the wing roots. The ability to perform well with mediocre and/or inexperienced crew was a designing factor, while the 109 was pretty hard to … From the end of 1941, the Bf 109 was steadily supplanted by the Focke-Wulf Fw 190. Search. Must see for every LW fan. The result was that quite often, even experienced pilots ended up collapsing the undercarriage. Even in a turning circle it could not evade the German fighter for the first 120 degrees, and that was more than enough time for the powerful armament of the Fw 190 to take effect. Even in the fighter-bomber role the German faced minimal danger, and he could always jettison his bombs in an emergency to defend himself. A total of over 20,000 were produced, including some 6,000 fighter-bomber variants. A decent force of, we can call them 'Fw-190C's, was well within scope of the German war industry for the late 1943 (when the DB 603A is more or less debugged). It is possible of course that it may not have fared so well, the P-39 Airacobra was generally regarded as unsatisfactory in the Pacific theatre yet was extremely successful against the Germans over the Eastern Front (of US built fighters only the P-51 would score more air to air kills) However, we do have at least a glimpse of what might have transpired in reality as the US tested the Fw 190 against the F4U and F6F and the results are here. 3 years ago. You can dogfight in it but you really need to know how to abuse its roll rate, throttle control and flaps. Filter. The Bf109 can BnZ, energy fight and turn fight (some planes), it is a jack of all trades and its ability to change from one flying style to another, is what I love most about it. Martlet II Versus Messerschmitt Bf 109F. I love my 190 A5s more than anything else in the game so far, and I own basically every anton in game, so I am most definitely on the side of talismaning the 190 A5, have fun with the King of dakka ;-), I come from the Americans as well and find myself moving toward that side as well. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. Later Martlets operated in the Western Desert in a shore based role. ( Log Out / Bf 109 K-4 vs Fw 190 D-9. The DB605 engine in the Bf109 coupled with its small and light airframe means there is very few planes that can match it in the vertical. It was faster in a dive, but this was probably due to it being a heavier aircraft. It may have depended a great deal on when they were committed. While the principal adversary of the RAF’s fighter pilots up to that point had been the Messerschmitt Bf109, reports were now coming in of skirmishes with a radial engine, square winged machine. Its only hope lay in overwhelming the German by force of numbers. The inline engine is a little more fragile than the radial as its radiator can get ruptured which will kill the engine, also any damage to the wings really hinders its agility. How should I be playing the 109s? The bf 109 is a very good plane for what it was meant to do. The way the aircraft are flown are fundamentally different aircraft. It is much more forgiving to pilots who are still learning to aim because four cannons blasting are going to usually hit something. It was always comforting to know that the increased power of the Griffon would enable me to turn inside and/or out climb a Bf 109 or Fw 190. The American fighters were formidable but then, so were the German aircraft. The Fw 190 provided greater firepower than the Bf 109 and, at low to medium altitude, superior manoeuvrability, in the opinion of German pilots who flew both fighters. So at a glance it seems to me like the 190 is a somewhat better fighter, the starting 190 vs the same 3.7 109 equivalent appears to be strictly better in every aspect (especially weapons with 2x the amount of guns and cannons the 109 has), and aside from aesthetic appeal and the tech tree (getting 262s later on), I'm wondering if there's any real real to use the 109 over the 190 In one of my emails, I asked about how the P-40F and L (which he also flew) compared to both the Me-109 and Fw-190, which also flew in North Africa but to a lesser degree (more often as a fighter-bomber). Close. It was called the Me 109 by Allied aircrew and some German aces, even though this was not the official German designation. The results for the Grummans were more interesting. Curious to know more we asked HushKit contributor Edward Ward to consider the matter. I come from the Americans, but I've mainly flown P-38s and P-51s (energy fighters), and absolutely adore the BF109 G2. The interesting thing about the F4F, F6F and F4U is that we do have a tantalising hint of their efficacy against late Luftwaffe fighters as all three were used by the Fleet Air Arm in Europe. The Focke-Wulf 190 was the work of a team of German designers headed by the famous Kurt Tank. ( Log Out / Time. Curious to know more we asked HushKit contributor Edward Ward to consider the matter. Oddly, despite never actually engaging in air-to-air combat over Europe, a Corsair was captured by the Luftwaffe and extensively tested by them. The Focke-Wulf Fw 190 ranks with the Supermarine Spitfire, Vought F4U Corsair and North American P-51 Mustang as one of the best fighters of World War II. Fw 190 and Bf 109 - 109 & 190, by steve I read that the A-8 could do 417 mph. At higher altitudes it was faster and could out-turn both the Focke-Wulf 190 and the Messerschmitt 109. If you can unlock the G-2's extra 20mm gunpods it kind of matches the A-5. CAPTCHA Code * Recent Posts. Weapons the Fw-190 had 2 7.7mm in the nose and four 20mm Cannons in the wings and some had a 20mm or even a 30mm in the propeller hub also. May 9, 2020 - Explore onderuysal's board "ww2 Bf-109 & FW-190", followed by 724 people on Pinterest. FW-190 vs BF-109 Werner Seitz - YouTube Short comparison between the two main German fighters of WWII. All Time Today Last Week Last Month. F-35 Lightning II vs Chengdu J-10; X. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. The K-4 had more upgrades than was mentioned in article. One of the best fighters of the time, it was widely used during the Second World War. The 190 remained in production from 1941 until the end of the war, going through multiple red… The lower the altitude the less the odds favoured the Me109F. I've found the 109 to be quite a bewitching aircraft. The Fw190 is little more limited in its fighting style to the Bf109, mainly because of its terrible turning at lower speed and good but not exceptional power to weight ratio. Fw-190 vs Bf-109 fw-190-wurger. Leave A Reply. Ultimately most RN Martlets and Wildcats saw service on escort carriers, far from German fighters. In every other department the Fw 190 was in command. I know two people who have flown both, and they generally agree: The FW-190 was a better airplane for its time (when training time was at a premium); some of the Bf-109 models had better ultimate performance -- but the system (plane plus pilot) is what matters, so a healthy pilot in an FW-190 is perhaps more-effective than a banged-up pilot in the more-difficult 109. This is what Eric Brown had to say about the Martlet/Wildcat and its chances against the Luftwaffe. Maybe that was with boost. During Dragoon, USN Hellcats shot down eight German aircraft but all were bombers or transports. Design features of the FW-190 included, more armour protection, greater weapons carrying capacity and a much wider undercarriage than that of the Bf109 making it much more stable on takeoff and landing something that ended up killing many novice Bf109 pilots. The Focke-Wulf FW-190 was widely believed to be the best fighter aircraft of World War II. ABILITY TO UPGRADE A Yak or LaLa at low altitude might be better but get the Bf109 to 6 km, where the DB605 engine puts down its peak performance there is nothing that can touch you. According to an account provided by Stephen Sherman of Hermann Krafft’s I./JG.51 fighter pilot’s experience with the airplane1, “The pilot climbed into the Focke-Wulf using retractable stirrups and handholds. Page of 6. Its practice, practice,practice but it can be very frustrating. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. The Bf-109 had better performance in capable hands. At low altitudes the Me109F had the edge over the Wildcat, but not by much. Horrido! The Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Wuerger (Shrike) was a single-seat, single-engine monoplane fighter used by the Luftwaffe in WWII. The nose mounted MG151 is sublime but you have to be able to aim, its only one cannon and a lot of players initially will struggle to get it on target. Corsairs fist flew into combat in August 1942, at that point the Luftwaffe was still probably the most powerful, best trained, most experienced and arguably best equipped Air Force in the world. The alternative can to be stick gun pods on not something I like to do as I feel it just turns the Bf109 into a poor man version of the Fw190. However, despite its apparent performance shortfall, In March 1945, Wildcats shot down four Messerschmitt Bf 109Gs over Norway. Honestly, the 109 is a more difficult aircraft to be good with, but once you get it, holy shit it's great. I can confidently dogfight literally anything I see including spits. The Wildcat, although faster and more manoeuvrable than the Sea Hurricane, was still some 60mph slower than the German fighter. Fw 190 decent acceleration, good max speed, decent climb, very good armament with a lot of ammunition. Fw 190 Würger versus Messerschmitt Bf 109: Airplane: Fw 190 Würger: Messerschmitt Bf 109: Country: Germany: Germany: Type of aircraft: Fighter: MR Fighter So I've started playing more planes than tanks on ps4 and I've decided to jump from my 190 to the 109s. Its personally choice, though, if you like having all of the guns well take all of the guns. In an interesting new spinoff of its New Vanguard series, Osprey Publishing has launched “Duel,” a series comparing two rival weapons and the men who used them in combat. But as boom and zoom started to rule the skies planes like the bf 109 and spitfire became increasingly more obsolete. Interested to hear your guys thoughts on which is better in RB to help ease the grind. Any fighter thrown at them at that time would have suffered. More research needed. Cookies help us deliver our Services. One Hellcat was lost but the other three each claimed the destruction of one German fighter each. Unlike the G-6, the D-9 had a large boost tank that enabled it to stay on boost 25 min or so. It is worth noting that although more famous as a test pilot, Eric Brown had flown the Martlet in combat from escort carriers against Fw 200 Condors. In an attempt to combat this manoeuvre, we were allowed to increase the boost to +21. I have enough GE to talisman one of them and any help is appreciated! Your email address will not be published. Fw-190 A1 vs Bf-109 E3. If I were to speculate on what would have happened had the two later Navy aircraft been deployed in numbers in Europe I suspect a similar situation as that which developed with the P-47 and P-51 would have developed, the Hellcat is slower than the Corsair (and very much slower than either a Thunderbolt or a Mustang) but is a very forgiving aircraft and also insanely rugged (a proportionately much greater number of F6Fs survived being hit by flak for example than did F4Us) and thus it would seem likely that the Hellcat would be employed more as a fighter bomber rather than a straight air-to-air fighter. A reader of our site asked us how US Pacific fighters would fare against the Luftwaffe’s finest – the Messerschmitt Bf 109 and Focke-Wulf Fw 190. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Verdict: The Wildcat had little chance of surviving single combat with the Fw 190. However by the time the Wildcat VI was on the scene (1944) his assessment was rather less rosy: “Wildcat VI Versus Messerschmitt 109G-6: The agile little Wildcat could outmanoeuvre the latest version of the Me 109, but the performance differential had widened and the German could run rings around the Wildcat. The D-9 did 426, 440 on boost. Here is Capt. As the war went on the FW-190 was manufactured in no fewer than 40 different models. I never much cared for the P-47 either (although it was OP before this patch if that's your style). Bf-109 vs P-38 p-38-lightning. The 190 was tough to out-turn. You probably play arcade.... :^). US Hellcats did see service over Europe when they operated off USS Tulagi during Operation Dragoon (the invasion of Southern France) in August 1944. The Bf 109 is able to dive at a steeper angle than the Fw 190. Archived. P-38 vs P-47 a6m-zero. The Wildcat also had a heavier punch to deliver. Reed's emailed reply: "Regarding performance aginst the Me-109 and FW-190. It's all about your flight style man. Verdict: As a dogfighter the Wildcat was superior to the Me 109F, but the initiative always lay with the German because of superior performance. 8. If you can unlock the G-2's extra 20mm gunpods it kind of matches the A-5. Cancel Reply. It was designed by Willy Messerschmitt and Robert Lusser who worked at Bayerische Flugzeugwerke during the early to mid-1930s. They have this thing called Leading-edge slat that looks like a frontal flaps which gives you an upper edge turning effectiveness at high speeds which the Fw 190s doesn't have. Inside the cockpit, he saw many familiar controls, similar to those in the BF 109, plus many new electric devices, notably the Kommandogerät, a primitive computer that automatically set propeller pitch, air/fuel mix, and RPM. Or am I … Posts; Latest Activity; Photos . The FW 190 was in general a better plane because boom and zoom is a really strong tactic. A reader of our site asked us how US Pacific fighters would fare against the Luftwaffe’s finest – the Messerschmitt Bf 109 and Focke-Wulf Fw 190. Collapse. In September 1941 a new shape began to appear in the skies above north-west Europe. It was introduced in Update 1.39. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, You cheated on her? I can't stand the FW190, I'm aware that it's pretty good, but it's just the opposite of how I like to fly. Posted by. An old LW pilot on those two birds. Collapse. Verdict: The superiority of the Fw 190A-4 and A-4/U8 was so comprehensive that the Wildcat had little or no chance to do anything more than perhaps harry the German enough to make him jettison his bombs prematurely. We did find, however, that the latest Fw 190D could get away from us by rolling on its back and going vertically downwards. It is worth noting however that the Focke Wulf in this case was an early model and not indicative of the models that the Corsair and Hellcat would have actually met in combat had they been committed to the European theatre. Fw-190 vs P-47 bf-109. I prefer the 190s because I came over from flying American planes where turning is a death sentence. There are caveats however – the afore-mentioned Eric Brown said he would prefer the Hellcat in a dogfight, however during the second world war pilots in every nation (except maybe Japan) were desperately trying to avoid dogfighting wherever possible and use dive and zoom climb tactics. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. The A-5 with 4 x 20mm cannons has a great amount of firepower. Plus two more 20mm cannons could be carried under the wings on the outer hard points. The F4U was a rather different prospect, with a significantly better performance than the Hellcat it is likely that any service it might have given against the Luftwaffe would have been impressive. I think I got roped in watching this youtube video of how to energy fight. Sam-Nary. Anything in production prior to that retained the “Bf” designation, while anything entering service afterward was “Me.” Among the planes to which that transition applied were: Bf-108 Taifun (retained throughout the production run) Bf-109B through D, but Me-109E through K. Bf-110A and B, but Me-110C through G . The A-5 with 4 x 20mm cannons has a great amount of firepower. The appearance of the new aircraft over France in 1941 was a rude surprise to the Allied air forces. Martlet IV Versus Focke-Wulf 19A-4 and A-4/U8: The only superiority that could be claimed by the Wildcat was its ability to outturn the German fighter, but turning doesn’t win battles. Spitfire vs Bf 109, Battle of Britain. We ask Justin Bronk from the RUSI think-tank. The way the aircraft are flown are fundamentally different aircraft. ( Log Out / I use the 190 as a p47 with more dakka. It is possibly the best tiered energy fighter in the game. With the FW-190 its actually a bit closer with the FW-190D-9 having superior speed but apparently an inferior climb rate, maneuverability was generally in its favor. A year or so earlier, four British Hellcats were bounced by a mixture of Fw 190s and Bf 109Gs off the Norwegian coast. Press J to jump to the feed. In 1939 alone, the Bf 109 fleet suffered 255 landing accidents that resulted in damage to the airframe. Hardly much to go on but the Hellcat came out on top in that action at least. RB Air. RB Air. High quality! The Fw190 A-5 exceptional, that BMW 801 engine gives it brilliant performance, it can nearly quasi-energy fighter with its power to weight ratio. The Bf-109K-4 actually had a superior climb rate and speed to the P-38L along with generally superior maneuverability. Sincerely, Jon Guttman It was regarded as one of the best fighter planes of World War II. In short, what would actually have transpired is anyone’s guess. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. This would have favoured the Corsair which excelled in the vertical plane. P-38 vs Zero Prev Next . The speed of the Focke Wolf Fw-190 was around 425mph much faster than the Bf-109 and Spitfire. by Tony Holmes, Osprey Publishing, Oxford, England, 2007, $17.95. There is an Osprey ‘Aircraft of the Aces’ volume on Royal Navy aces of WWII that would I suspect give an excellent account of this period but alas I don’t own it… All this occurred before the US had even entered the war. About the best I can manage is that they operated in “ground attack and escort missions” so one would have thought they would have met the Luftwaffe however I can only find records for one FIAT G.50 and four Ju 88s shot down. The Fw-190 was more easy to handle as its design incorporated lessons learnt from the former’s operating experience. I would say without the gunpods, the Fw-190A-5 outclasses the Bf 109G-2/trop in every way except turning. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. See more ideas about Luftwaffe, Wwii aircraft, Ww2 aircraft. On the flip side, the 109 can afford to turn with a couple of planes, and can effortlessly energy fight, but simply doesn't have the brute force-brawl that the 190s have. These were the FAA’s last victories with Wildcats. Had the Luftwaffe of early 1945 been their foe though it would have been a different story as most of the veterans were either dead or wounded, there was precious little fuel for operations and the training programme had collapsed. I would say without the gunpods, the Fw-190A-5 outclasses the Bf 109G-2/trop in every way except turning. ( Log Out / Finding out detailed information abut this period is difficult. Sadly (in a way) the Corsair never met a German fighter in combat but both the Grummans did and the results were positive. Bf-109 vs Spitfire vs Fw-190 vs P-51 Thread starter Soren; Start ... Non-introduction of the DB 603A in the Fw-190 airframe might also be counted as a major mistake. If the Me 109G-6 was tempted to mix it in a dogfight, the Wildcat had a better than even chance of success.Verdict: The Wildcat was no real match for the Me 109G-6, but the German could not afford to take liberties with his angry little opponent.”. Opening the series is P-51 Mustang vs Fw-190, Europe 1943-1945, in which Eighth Air Force expert Martin Bow – man parallels the … Surprisingly the first American-built aircraft to score a kill in British service was a Wildcat (then named a Martlet) when two Martlet Is of 804 sqn Fleet Air Arm shot down a Junkers 88 on Christmas Day 1940. If intercepted the Hellcats exceptional manoeuvrability (it could follow the A6M Zero through most manoeuvres, and that aircraft may well have been the most agile of the war) would have proved difficult to deal with for both German fighters but they would have been able to break off at will. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Spanish Civil War to today. Although not all Bf 109s have this Leading-edge slat like the Bf 109 E series and below for example. In terms of which one is better stock, the Fw-190 has the advantage. Change ), Phantom pregnancies: F-4 variants that never were, How good is China’s J-10C fighter? Its tougher than the Bf109 as well, as the radial engine and airframe can take more hits and remain combat effective. The Luftwaffe, although a shadow of its former self by 1945 was still a dangerous foe and did not suffer the same technological disparity (in general) as did the late war Japanese fighters compared to their principal American adversaries. The Bf109 has no really weakness to exploit and I find energy fighting to be the most rewarding why of flying, certainly higher risk than the BnZ but stalling out planes in a turn or a hammer head and dispatching them as they tumble, sublime. Focke Wulf 190 A8 flown by Klaus Plasa chasing a Supermarine Spitfire Mk.18 flown by Rob Davies. Fw-190 A1 vs Bf-109 E3. The Spitfire, Hurricane, and Fw-190, with their “vertical” landing gear and heavier structures, fared much better. I love my G-2 and will swear by it. The formidable Fw 190 held all the advantages in this contest, and there was really no way out of the dilemma for the Wildcat. Whether it would have done as well as it did against the Japanese is unlikely however. I'm more fond of the Fw 190-A5/U2 over the Bf 109-G2.They're excellent planes, it matters more your playstyle. All of which is a long-winded way of saying it’s pretty much anyone’s guess what would have actually happened. u/GAR_66. The Fw 190 A-1 is a Rank II German fighter with a battle rating of 3.7 (AB) and 3.3 (RB/SB). Interestingly enough I'm the opposite as the other guy. BF 109: fast acceleration (best hp/weight ratio), good climb speed, very maneuverable, good max speed, good engine cooling.